jimdilian Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) is there a way to make logic start up faster ? without scanning new plugins at the startup always¿ maybe a .plist hack? or something? (Update) - I just bought a WD SSD and this is the result after .. installing all. and updating Waves too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... triplets Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... jimdilian Posted September 6, 2019 Author Share Posted September 6, 2019 Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... David Nahmani Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 without scanning new plugins at the startup always¿ What do you mean by that exactly? Are you always adding new plug-ins to your Mac? Or does Logic always scan for the same plug-ins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... jimdilian Posted September 6, 2019 Author Share Posted September 6, 2019 well studio one and reaper.. start up 10 times faster than logic with the same plugins.. AU. only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... David Nahmani Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Ok but you haven't answered my previous question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... JamesK Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 How long do you consider to be a long time to open Logic? My Logic opens in three to four seconds and does not rescan any plugins on my old 2011 iMac with an external SSD running the OS. Just for reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Ploki Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 if logic rescans plugins on every start, something is wrong. it opens very fast here with 100 plugins - faster than protools, cubase or studio one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Ashermusic Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 5 seconds here with 272 plug-ins. No rescanning unless I add new ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... fisherking Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 mine opens before i even click the logic icon; i win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... jimdilian Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 yeah maybe are all those plugins I have.. anyway I wish there was a way to disable re-scan .. some plugins that I use.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... JamesK Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 yeah maybe are all those plugins I have.. anyway I wish there was a way to disable re-scan .. some plugins that I use.. How long does it take to start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... jimdilian Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 3 min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... jimdilian Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 I used sound radix 32 lives maybe that is.. But I cannot leave those plugins behind.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... JamesK Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Oh boy. That's a long wait. You might be right about the 32 lives. Can anyone else confirm wait times using 32 lives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... fisherking Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 that's a long time, but... how often do you re-open logic? seems workable in the overall scheme of things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... blinkofani Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Oh boy. That's a long wait.You might be right about the 32 lives. Can anyone else confirm wait times using 32 lives? No problems here with 32Lives. I have 4-5 resurected plugins that are taken in charge by 32Lives and my start times are like most here, 4-5 seconds. Usually, people who see their plugin library rescanned everytime are people who use clean-up apps for their Mac. Some of those apps whipe clean the AU cache so Logic must rescan the Library everytime it starts. Blink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... jimdilian Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 reaper takes 3 seconds to startup.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... skijumptoes Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 You may need to delete your aucache and let it build itself all again, and then hopefully doesn't bug you again after that until you add new plugins. Sometimes Logic/MacOS loses the ability to correctly write to the cache after a succesful scan, which makes it scan each and every time you open Logic thinking that there's difference in the cache vs your files. i.e. https://www.arturia.com/faq/utilization/how-do-i-clear-my-audio-unit-cache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... jimdilian Posted September 14, 2019 Author Share Posted September 14, 2019 You may need to delete your aucache and let it build itself all again, and then hopefully doesn't bug you again after that until you add new plugins. Sometimes Logic/MacOS loses the ability to correctly write to the cache after a succesful scan, which makes it scan each and every time you open Logic thinking that there's difference in the cache vs your files. i.e. https://www.arturia.com/faq/utilization/how-do-i-clear-my-audio-unit-cache I've allready done that .. stills the same.. 2.. or 3 min.. always.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... slimhan Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Not exactly a solution for plugin scan but logic opens just a little faster if you open Midi Studio in Audio/Midi Setup utility first and then start logic. It initializes CoreMIDI before Logic starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... skijumptoes Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 If it’s scanning each time then something is either changing the au cache or it is having difficulties saving to it. So if you’ve deleted the cache and let it rebuild, I can only think that you have some kind of system utility which is scanning the cache causing Logic to think it’s changed. I.e. antivirus/anti spyware/cleaner tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... jimdilian Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 If it’s scanning each time then something is either changing the au cache or it is having difficulties saving to it. So if you’ve deleted the cache and let it rebuild, I can only think that you have some kind of system utility which is scanning the cache causing Logic to think it’s changed. I.e. antivirus/anti spyware/cleaner tool. thank you for your answer I will do some test and replay to see if I got it to work better... but my hopes are low..cos I have tried many things in the past with no succes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... skijumptoes Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Check plugins that have a shell/wrapper style arrangement (Such as waves) are all up to date too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... 2 weeks later... jimdilian Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 I wish logic could do something for not rescaning always AU on every startup.. and validating.. other DAW that use AUs.. doen rescan those at the start like logic.. and they all work on the other daws.. using AUs only.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... David Nahmani Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I wish logic could do something for not rescaning always AU on every startup.. and validating.. other DAW that use AUs.. doen rescan those at the start like logic.. and they all work on the other daws.. using AUs only.. It's not normal behavior for Logic to rescan AU on every startup, so if you have that issue, something is wrong on your setup and you need to troubleshoot it. I have hundreds of AU plug-ins and Logic starts in seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... jimdilian Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 yes I unistall waves.-.. to check and waves it making logic start very slow.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Arnaud Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Adding my two cents here because, after reading the conversation above, I believe some clarifications could be useful: * You need to differentiate two very different things, which are a) How long it takes for Logic to start up, vs. b) How long it takes for Logic to open a given project (once it has started up) When people above say "Logic starts in seconds", they refer to a) (and I do experience the same btw), they probably do not refer to b), because b) is project-specific (and I for instance currently work on a project that needs a couple of minutes, maybe even 3 or so). To measure a), double click on the Logic App icon itself in the Applications folder (not on the icon of any Logic project file!), and measure the time until the option widow (asking you whether you want to open the most recent project, create a new blank project, do the same based on a template, or even not open any project at all) pops up. This is the real time it took for Logic to start up, any time after that is about opening a project, and that's b), different thing, see below. Still regarding a), the first time you add a new plug-in to your set up (I mean buy and download it for instance, not include it in a given project), Logic will scan it to verify its integrity, which scanning time will be part of a), but that scanning must happen once, and only once, meaning that if you fully close Logic after having completed the scanning of a new plugin, then lauch it again as described above, this time you will not see any scanning taking place before you get to the pop up option window. If Logic scans plug-ins every time you launch the app itself as part of a), you definitely have a problem as others have said above. Now b). Once Logic has started up, it has to do some things to open a given project, but that's the time it takes to open that specific project, not the time it takes to launch Logic itself. Part of what Logic has to do upon project opening is to launch each and every instance of each and every plugin that sits on each and every channel strip of your project (and if the same plugin sits on 100 different channels, Logic has to launch it 100 times, not just one time, because each instance is different). So when you open a super massive project with a zillion plugins on a quintillion tracks, Logic will need a lot more time than when you just ask it to open a blank project with one audio track and no plugin on it. That's project specific, and Logic can do nothing about it. Besides, plugin launch time depends on the plugin itself, and it turns out that most of Logic's factory plugins open more quickly than many of their 3rd-party equivalents, Logic has nothing to do with that, it's about how the 3rd-party plugin was coded by its vendor. So as an example, a project with 100 instances of the Channel EQ plugin may very well open quite faster than a project with 100 instances of a 3rd party EQ plugin. During the time Logic takes to open a project, you see a floating window with plugin names that refresh more or less quicky, and a progress bar. This is not plugin scanning (as part of a)), this is Logic launching each instance of the various plugins that are part of the specific project it is currently opening. And it will happen the exact same way every time you open this exact same project. Seein these plugin names and progress time every time is normal behaviour. A few final notes: * Since version 10.4.5, Logic gives the option to no longer opens instances of plugins that are not used in the current playback state of your project while it opens the project, and this is sort of a time-saver (during the opening of a specific projet), these instances will be launched later on, if you then activate that plug-in. So if you have an older version of Logic and can update it to the most recent version, you should experience some more efficiency than before. * Each time you can replace a 3rd-party plug-in with it's Logic factory equivalent without hurting the quality / sounding of your project's audio, it's a good idea to do that ; may both save some CPU resources when playing the project, but also pretty much quicken up the project opening time; * I'm not 100% percent sure of the following, but for us nerds who are wondering what Logic really does when it "re-initializes Core Audio" (when you swap to another audio interface while a project is opened, for instance), it seems part of it is exactly that: re-launching all of the plugin instances in that project (which is why the reinitialization may be very quick on some projects, and very long on some others). I hope the above was clarifying and helpful. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... skijumptoes Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 yes I unistall waves.-.. to check and waves it making logic start very slow.. Then you need to ensure that Waves is up to date via Waves Central - if this gets out of date it's common for Logic to rescan each time on startup. If you own any of the bundles it's worth doing it routinely incase new products are added too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... jimdilian Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 (Update) - I just bought a WD SSD and this is the result after .. installing all. and updating Waves too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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David Nahmani Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 without scanning new plugins at the startup always¿ What do you mean by that exactly? Are you always adding new plug-ins to your Mac? Or does Logic always scan for the same plug-ins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdilian Posted September 6, 2019 Author Share Posted September 6, 2019 well studio one and reaper.. start up 10 times faster than logic with the same plugins.. AU. only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Ok but you haven't answered my previous question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesK Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 How long do you consider to be a long time to open Logic? My Logic opens in three to four seconds and does not rescan any plugins on my old 2011 iMac with an external SSD running the OS. Just for reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 if logic rescans plugins on every start, something is wrong. it opens very fast here with 100 plugins - faster than protools, cubase or studio one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 5 seconds here with 272 plug-ins. No rescanning unless I add new ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 mine opens before i even click the logic icon; i win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdilian Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 yeah maybe are all those plugins I have.. anyway I wish there was a way to disable re-scan .. some plugins that I use.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesK Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 yeah maybe are all those plugins I have.. anyway I wish there was a way to disable re-scan .. some plugins that I use.. How long does it take to start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdilian Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 3 min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdilian Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 I used sound radix 32 lives maybe that is.. But I cannot leave those plugins behind.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesK Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Oh boy. That's a long wait. You might be right about the 32 lives. Can anyone else confirm wait times using 32 lives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 that's a long time, but... how often do you re-open logic? seems workable in the overall scheme of things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinkofani Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Oh boy. That's a long wait.You might be right about the 32 lives. Can anyone else confirm wait times using 32 lives? No problems here with 32Lives. I have 4-5 resurected plugins that are taken in charge by 32Lives and my start times are like most here, 4-5 seconds. Usually, people who see their plugin library rescanned everytime are people who use clean-up apps for their Mac. Some of those apps whipe clean the AU cache so Logic must rescan the Library everytime it starts. Blink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdilian Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 reaper takes 3 seconds to startup.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 You may need to delete your aucache and let it build itself all again, and then hopefully doesn't bug you again after that until you add new plugins. Sometimes Logic/MacOS loses the ability to correctly write to the cache after a succesful scan, which makes it scan each and every time you open Logic thinking that there's difference in the cache vs your files. i.e. https://www.arturia.com/faq/utilization/how-do-i-clear-my-audio-unit-cache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdilian Posted September 14, 2019 Author Share Posted September 14, 2019 You may need to delete your aucache and let it build itself all again, and then hopefully doesn't bug you again after that until you add new plugins. Sometimes Logic/MacOS loses the ability to correctly write to the cache after a succesful scan, which makes it scan each and every time you open Logic thinking that there's difference in the cache vs your files. i.e. https://www.arturia.com/faq/utilization/how-do-i-clear-my-audio-unit-cache I've allready done that .. stills the same.. 2.. or 3 min.. always.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimhan Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Not exactly a solution for plugin scan but logic opens just a little faster if you open Midi Studio in Audio/Midi Setup utility first and then start logic. It initializes CoreMIDI before Logic starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 If it’s scanning each time then something is either changing the au cache or it is having difficulties saving to it. So if you’ve deleted the cache and let it rebuild, I can only think that you have some kind of system utility which is scanning the cache causing Logic to think it’s changed. I.e. antivirus/anti spyware/cleaner tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdilian Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 If it’s scanning each time then something is either changing the au cache or it is having difficulties saving to it. So if you’ve deleted the cache and let it rebuild, I can only think that you have some kind of system utility which is scanning the cache causing Logic to think it’s changed. I.e. antivirus/anti spyware/cleaner tool. thank you for your answer I will do some test and replay to see if I got it to work better... but my hopes are low..cos I have tried many things in the past with no succes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Check plugins that have a shell/wrapper style arrangement (Such as waves) are all up to date too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdilian Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 I wish logic could do something for not rescaning always AU on every startup.. and validating.. other DAW that use AUs.. doen rescan those at the start like logic.. and they all work on the other daws.. using AUs only.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I wish logic could do something for not rescaning always AU on every startup.. and validating.. other DAW that use AUs.. doen rescan those at the start like logic.. and they all work on the other daws.. using AUs only.. It's not normal behavior for Logic to rescan AU on every startup, so if you have that issue, something is wrong on your setup and you need to troubleshoot it. I have hundreds of AU plug-ins and Logic starts in seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdilian Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 yes I unistall waves.-.. to check and waves it making logic start very slow.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnaud Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Adding my two cents here because, after reading the conversation above, I believe some clarifications could be useful: * You need to differentiate two very different things, which are a) How long it takes for Logic to start up, vs. b) How long it takes for Logic to open a given project (once it has started up) When people above say "Logic starts in seconds", they refer to a) (and I do experience the same btw), they probably do not refer to b), because b) is project-specific (and I for instance currently work on a project that needs a couple of minutes, maybe even 3 or so). To measure a), double click on the Logic App icon itself in the Applications folder (not on the icon of any Logic project file!), and measure the time until the option widow (asking you whether you want to open the most recent project, create a new blank project, do the same based on a template, or even not open any project at all) pops up. This is the real time it took for Logic to start up, any time after that is about opening a project, and that's b), different thing, see below. Still regarding a), the first time you add a new plug-in to your set up (I mean buy and download it for instance, not include it in a given project), Logic will scan it to verify its integrity, which scanning time will be part of a), but that scanning must happen once, and only once, meaning that if you fully close Logic after having completed the scanning of a new plugin, then lauch it again as described above, this time you will not see any scanning taking place before you get to the pop up option window. If Logic scans plug-ins every time you launch the app itself as part of a), you definitely have a problem as others have said above. Now b). Once Logic has started up, it has to do some things to open a given project, but that's the time it takes to open that specific project, not the time it takes to launch Logic itself. Part of what Logic has to do upon project opening is to launch each and every instance of each and every plugin that sits on each and every channel strip of your project (and if the same plugin sits on 100 different channels, Logic has to launch it 100 times, not just one time, because each instance is different). So when you open a super massive project with a zillion plugins on a quintillion tracks, Logic will need a lot more time than when you just ask it to open a blank project with one audio track and no plugin on it. That's project specific, and Logic can do nothing about it. Besides, plugin launch time depends on the plugin itself, and it turns out that most of Logic's factory plugins open more quickly than many of their 3rd-party equivalents, Logic has nothing to do with that, it's about how the 3rd-party plugin was coded by its vendor. So as an example, a project with 100 instances of the Channel EQ plugin may very well open quite faster than a project with 100 instances of a 3rd party EQ plugin. During the time Logic takes to open a project, you see a floating window with plugin names that refresh more or less quicky, and a progress bar. This is not plugin scanning (as part of a)), this is Logic launching each instance of the various plugins that are part of the specific project it is currently opening. And it will happen the exact same way every time you open this exact same project. Seein these plugin names and progress time every time is normal behaviour. A few final notes: * Since version 10.4.5, Logic gives the option to no longer opens instances of plugins that are not used in the current playback state of your project while it opens the project, and this is sort of a time-saver (during the opening of a specific projet), these instances will be launched later on, if you then activate that plug-in. So if you have an older version of Logic and can update it to the most recent version, you should experience some more efficiency than before. * Each time you can replace a 3rd-party plug-in with it's Logic factory equivalent without hurting the quality / sounding of your project's audio, it's a good idea to do that ; may both save some CPU resources when playing the project, but also pretty much quicken up the project opening time; * I'm not 100% percent sure of the following, but for us nerds who are wondering what Logic really does when it "re-initializes Core Audio" (when you swap to another audio interface while a project is opened, for instance), it seems part of it is exactly that: re-launching all of the plugin instances in that project (which is why the reinitialization may be very quick on some projects, and very long on some others). I hope the above was clarifying and helpful. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 yes I unistall waves.-.. to check and waves it making logic start very slow.. Then you need to ensure that Waves is up to date via Waves Central - if this gets out of date it's common for Logic to rescan each time on startup. If you own any of the bundles it's worth doing it routinely incase new products are added too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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