deckard1 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Hi, I'm trying to program a shuffle drum beat with Logic X's Drummer but I am not exactly sure how to do it. So far, all I can see that can assist me in programming a shuffle drum beat using Drummer are the following two knobs pictured below. Is 'swing' the same thing as 'shuffle', by the way? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denitronik Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Try playing with the swing parameter. The feel parameter changes whether the drummer plays before or after the beat (metronome). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Put the 8th note Swing parameter around 70% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deckard1 Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 Thank you. Will give it a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Is 'swing' the same thing as 'shuffle', by the way? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deckard1 Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 Thanks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deckard1 Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 Is 'swing' the same thing as 'shuffle', by the way? Yes. Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ges Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Well, sadly, it seems to me no matter what you do with Logic Drummer, it just doesn't swing or shuffle. Not well anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Well, sadly, it seems to me no matter what you do with Logic Drummer, it just doesn't swing or shuffle. Not well anyway. Sure it does. It's all about the percentage. 100 percent is too much. The best setting is around 65-70 % Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Well, sadly, it seems to me no matter what you do with Logic Drummer, it just doesn't swing or shuffle. Not well anyway. Sure it does swing, just adjust the Swing knob to the desired value. The "classic" blues shuffle is often around 66% but you can experiment with software (less) or harder (more) shuffle. There's no such thing as swinging/shuffling well or badly: shuffling/swinging simply means delaying every other note by the set amount, which Logic's Drummer does as expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is 'swing' the same thing as 'shuffle', by the way? Yes. Yes and no. In a shuffle, the second note of the duplet comes a little later and is a little shorter. So all shuffles are "swings" but not all swings are shuffle. Ironically, I just submitted an article on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzzzy1 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Well, sadly, it seems to me no matter what you do with Logic Drummer, it just doesn't swing or shuffle. Not well anyway. Make sure the 'Swing' setting is 8th notes. rz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ges Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Thanks for the input. I have tried the 'swing' setting and 8th notes. Still, not a good feel. But I get what I need from Superior Drummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollchef Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Beyond the other good tips here, there's another setting you can call up to make things more "human": The push/pull settings are worth fooling with a bit (plus the ghost notes etc.) If you're new to all this, look for the "details" box at the bottom right of the Drummer section. cheers chefl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.unreal Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Well, I know it's a long time, but I think I managed to create a shuffle rhythm with Logic Drummer. I created two tracks with Tyrell (songwriter drummer) with "Far and away" preset, then I changed the drum kits in "smash" (the default kit was "speakeasy"). In the first track there are Kick & snare (5) and hi hat (6). In the second only cymbals (3). Swing amount 66% It's not perfect, I know, but I think it's the best you could get! These are the pictures: Have a nice day to all! Cheers from Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriksimon Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Nice tip. Swing at 8th between 60-70 % produces shuffle feel with any drummer in my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.unreal Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Yes, it sounds with shuffle feel, but only on cymbals or hi hat. It’s swing but not shuffle. What I tried to do, was the triple hit on snare, before and after the main beat (on the 2nd and 4th). You know what I mean? Sorry but I’m struggling with my English.. I’m Italian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxasma Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 @mr.unreal: are you looking for something like this? Drummer = Mason (Roots Songwriter) Complex = 100% Soft/Loud = 75% Hi Hat = 1 Kick & Snare = 5 Swing (8th) = 67% Details -> Ghost notes = 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.unreal Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 wow! I will try it tonight, I'm at work now.. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaren Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Yes. Yes and no. In a shuffle, the second note of the duplet comes a little later and is a little shorter. So all shuffles are "swings" but not all swings are shuffle. Ironically, I just submitted an article on this Jay--is the article your wrote available for anyone to read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Jay--is the article your wrote available for anyone to read? Quick google bought this up, and year matches:- https://ask.audio/articles/get-your-groove-on-basic-swing-notation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaren Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Thanks skijumptoes. I wil dive into it, I just skimmed it. I like Jay's sense of humor when he writes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Thanks skijumptoes. I wil dive into it, I just skimmed it. I like Jay's sense of humor when he writes. Why thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.unreal Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 @mr.unreal: are you looking for something like this? Drummer = Mason (Roots Songwriter) Complex = 100% Soft/Loud = 75% Hi Hat = 1 Kick & Snare = 5 Swing (8th) = 67% Details -> Ghost notes = 100% Screen Shot 2020-04-26 at 21.13.43 .png Hi toxasma. I tried your tip. Well, it's a shuffle rhythm but I was trying to recreate the shuffle with the snare, like a real human drummer, not with the kick. It's an important difference to me. The problem in my configuration is the fill.. very bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollchef Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Nice - I'd like to see the MIDI version of what you guys did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratquebec Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Yes and no. In a shuffle, the second note of the duplet comes a little later and is a little shorter. So all shuffles are "swings" but not all swings are shuffle. Ironically, I just submitted an article on this Jay--is the article your wrote available for anyone to read? I think this is the article Ashermusic is talking about: https://macprovideo.com/article/music-theory-and-education/get-your-groove-on-basic-swing-notation. Edited. Oh, my post is not a double post but in a way it is. I just saw that skijumptoes already post the link to this article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Edited. Oh, my post is not a double post but in a way it is. I just saw that skijumptoes already post the link to this article. ...as we agreed, of course. Jay, That's $1 each you owe us, and $2 for the window cleaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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