Sascha Franck

You were trying to get through that they want to sell hardware and make money. I was trying to get through that they're selling hardware to earn obscene amounts of money, too. Which is always suspicious.

Apple is, at the end of the day, a corporation constantly being among the top 5 of the stock market since several years. That alone should be good enough to raise a lot of possibly controverse thoughts. And yes, I *am* a sort of old hippie, but that's got not much to do with it. Whenever there's a documentation about planned obsolescence, rest assured, Apple will be mentioned.

I'm afraid you'll be out of luck.

That's too easy as an explanation. "We can do whatever we feel like as each of our customers will have different wishes anyway". No. There's some pretty well established things in the world of "flagship DAWs" and it's possibly a decent idea to have a good amount of them covered. And as these have been mentioned in this thread: Region gain handles and proper time stretching for example. They're pretty much kind of an "industry standard" by now. Same goes for a half decent sample editor, especially when you stopped developing what you have 20 years ago already. Etc. Similar things might be true for, say, ARA integration. Yes, I perfectly understand why it's not working in silicon-native mode anymore, but in case it's not, 3,5 years should be a good enough amount of time to adress the issue. Ideally, they would've thought this through before changing the way plugins are called up. Apparently, that just didn't happen. All of this isn't exactly about new features (for instance, region gain handles aren't exactly a new feature, just another way to present what's already there), same with my ongoing complaints about them to completely break an entire section of zooming functionality. Hence, while nobody exactly minds whatever new things they're throwing at us, especially among longstanding Logic users, there seem to be quite some people wishing for a really intense housekeeping session. Personally, I'd happily pay for an upgrade just adressing all these issues.

Do as always: Copy the Logic Pro file to another place (maybe even zip it up so macOS has no chance to accidentally detect it) and perform the update. In case 11 is no good, move the old version back.

I might even do that - but for anything more complexed, I tend to use Zebra2 anyway, so there's not really much of a need to get into it.

Thing is, each of them could've been fantastic. But they never fully lived up. Gotta say that I like the ES2 as a kind of standard substractive synth, though (I pretty much always just skip the vector portion). Filters are still sounding amazingly good after all these years, the easy to grasp (and "always there") modulation matrix is quite handy IMO, the only thing I was always missing a bit was some sort of looping MSEGs. And maybe a built-in delay that you could as well modulate via the matrix (and hence any typical controller). Fwiw, I want a delay/modulation section on the Sampler, too. Anyhow, IMO one of the reasons these plugins see so little love is that they simply don't gain attraction outside of the Logic world. There's barely and 3rd party presets or sample libraries for the onboard Logic plugins. Steinberg has that covered a lot better IMO. You get an already rather competent version of some plugins for free with Cubase, but the full versions are available as DAW- and platform-independent plugins.

Everything Garageband users have always asked for.

No, but stem extraction and that chromaglow thing will be silicon-only.

I'm pretty sure the session players will work pretty much the same as Drummer. Which is definitely not AI.

"And like Drummer, they're built using AI" - oh the hyperbole... Drummer hasn't got anything to do with AI, not even remotely. The new session players likely haven't, either, I'd bet it's still gobsmacks of MIDI files selected by certain criteria. And fwiw, that's not a bad thing. But it's still not AI.

In case of the zoom functions it'd be absolutely fine had they not massively dis-improved them.

I think they also showed a new Logic version when the last Intel Mac Pro was demonstrated - but you're absolutely right otherwise as it wasn't an announcement.

Because I rather have them to finally use their manpower to adress some decade old issues.

Will the sample editor still look (and function) like in 1998? And will the "normal" strecthing and pitching algorithms still be of chipmunk quality? Seriously, all this talk about AI this and AI that - and at the same time, certain core functions haven't seen any love since over 2 decades. That's quite embarassing. I would very much prefer a decent housekeeping update.